It could be written on paper as well. The essential quality of the Charagma or Mark is that it is a badge of servitude issued by an authority that is like the beast of the Roman Empire. It is issued by the Image of the Beast.

      Much of what you read below may hurt a little at first but the truth hurts. Get use to it.

      Much of what is below may go over the average individuals head, but the more you study the more you will understand. The more you learn the more it will seem that you are speaking Greek to those still lost in the matrix of delusion. A world has been built all around us by building in our minds and sealing it with a glue made of our own vanity.

      Don't feel bad that you have been deceived. It is a very good deception, even the very elect would have been deceived without the grace of God.

      May the LORD, God's grace be with you while you read this post.

      Gregory

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:9-12

----- Original Message ----- From: justakid
To: Gregory
Subject: Re: "distress of Nations" and a union of nations by deception
JUSTAKID said:

      Excuse me, Mr. Williams, but I believe the scripture says that the mark of the beast will be placed in your hand or forehead

      Gregory says:

      People put such great emphasize on the word 'in' in the referred Biblical text. The word 'in' that we find in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word 'epi'. Epi is one of the few generic preposition in Greek that is translated many different ways as a mere preparatory word. For example epi is translated 'in' Rev 7:3, 9:4,13:6,14:1,14:9., but the same word is translated 'upon' in Rev.20:4; Matt 24:3; Luke 17:31; John 19:31; Acts 12:21 and 'on' in Matt 14:19, 24:17, 27:19; Mark 13:15; John 19:19; Acts 25:17; Rev 4:10, 5:1, 5:7, 6:16 and 'come to' in Matt 28:14 and 'by' Mark 11:4 and 'at' in Luke 22:40; Acts 25:10; Rev 8:3 and 'before' in Acts 24:20 and 'over' in Rev14:18 etc.etc.

      To base your decision that the SSN is not the mark of the beast because of the preposition 'in' is a factually felonious fairy tail, 'in' my opinion

      The word 'mark' was translated from the Greek word 'charagma' which means a "badge of servitude". Go check your Strong's Concordance. In Rome articles of clothes and social demeanor also marked a man and his status. A man might go about with a Qolemos, or reed-pen, behind his ear, as a badge of his employment and similarly a carpenter carried a small wooden rule behind his ear. The use of more official identifications made of copper, brass, silver or gold with family seals was a common practice for the wealthier servants.

      The Romans were record keepers and servants had to be kept track of for their protection as well as their masters.

      Originally slaves in the market place were given dried clay tablets to identify who their owner were, and what their qualifications and origins might be. If such tablets were baked with the seal of the owner they took on a permanency that protected the slave from unwarranted detention as he traveled through the public streets on errands for his master. That etched document was referred to as a charagma which was a badge of servitude.

      The SSN is a badge of servitude where you have become a surety for a debt by your agreement under oath[penalty of perjury]. If you have an SSN you are a slave by definition. That is shocking but true.

      See: Employ vs. Enslave

      See: Charagma vs. Card

      JUSTAKID said: and you will not be able to buy or sell without it.

      Gregory says:

      And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Rev 13: 16-17)

      The word causeth is from 'poieo', apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary. Poieo is translated 'do' 357 times and 'make' 114 times. It is only translated causeth 3 times. It is actually defined, "to make 1a) with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion, etc. 1b) to be the authors of, the cause 1c) to make ready, to prepare ... render one anything; to (make i.e.) constitute or appoint one anything, to appoint or ordain one that; ... 3) to be the authors of a thing (to cause, bring about)... 1e) to perform; to a promise."

      There is an author of the this system, who has made everything possible and constituted the things which we have chosen to be apart of according to a promise. But it was not The God's promise but men who would be gods over you.

      Note that the words "no man" is not translated from 'oudeis' which is translated 94 times in the new testament and as "no man" and "none" 27 times, or "any" or "any man" 6 times.

      Nor does the author use 'medeis' or the irregular feminine 'mhdemia' which is also translated 'no man' some 32 times.

      The author must have meant something a little different than these words, since he used completely different words to say what he meant. We do not need to retranslate the Bible but we should study to find out what the author meant. Every word in the English language has several meanings if you look in a dictionary. Some of them are quite different. Which one we should apply may depend a great deal on the word the author used in the original Greek or Hebrew. So, lets check it out.

      We find "that no" is translated from "hina me" which is translated "that not" 45 times, "lest" 43 and "that ... no" 6 or even "albeit not" and "so that not" once each, at least in the King James Bible.

      Probably more important is the word "Man" which is translated from 'tis'.

      'Tis' is an enclitic indefinite pronoun translated 'certain' 104 times and 'certain man' 7 times, or just 'man' 34 times, and 'some' 73 times, 'some man' 4 times. It is also translated 'any man' 55, 'any' 37, 'one' 34, 'anything' 24, 'something' 6. It is even translated 'a' 9, 'somewhat' 6, 'ought' 5, ...

      'Tis' is actually defined "1) a certain, a certain one 2) some, some time, a while"

      So, the words actually read 'hine mee tis' (That not 'some' or 'certain man').

      The words "some" and "certain man" don't sound as definite and absolute as "no man" and that is why he did not use the more absolute terms available. But let us look at the whole quote in context.

      The word 'buy' is from 'agorazo' which means simply "to be in the market-place, to attend it, hence 2) to do business there, buy or sell".

      And 'sell' is translated from 'poleo' is a very general term from pelomai (to be busy, to trade). By itself 'poleo' means any thing from, "to barter, to sell" or "sellers". These words were often found together as an idiomatic expression referring to Roman commerce which was highly profitable and highly regulated. Pilate was the "chief financial officer" for Rome in that area. At that time in Roman history the "market place" often required a fee to enter (like a business license) and taxes on the commodities and quantities brought in or sold(like sales tax). Several of the deportations mentioned in the Bible by Rome were aimed at Jew and Christian. Those deportations were a part of the exclusion from the "market place" at that time. Because Christians obey Jesus they would not take oaths of loyalty which were required in many commercial arenas and they were therefore always suspected for their unwillingness to pledge allegiance to Rome. It was also a way of getting rid of the hard working competition.

      Rome was not an anarchy, but a complex system of laws, regulations and obligations. The burdens that fell upon the average laborer in order to support this burgeoning bureaucracy and apathetic welfare state were immense and they depended upon a complex system of tax collectors and revenue officers.

'The Gabbai [tax collector], collected the regular dues, which consisted of ground-[property tax], income-, and poll-tax and the Mokhes collected tax and duty upon imports and exports; on all that was bought and sold[sales tax]; bridge-money, road-money, harbour-dues, town-dues, etc. They had invented a tax that reached into the life of almost everyone. There were taxes on axles, wheels, pack-animals, pedestrians, roads, highways; on admission to markets; on carriers, bridges, ships, and quays; on crossing rivers, on dams, on licenses, in short, on such a variety of objects, that even the research of modern scholars has not been able to identify all the names.' ["Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah" Bible CD: CHAPTER III.]

      Today, not even certified public accountants can figure all the complexities of the present tax system.

      The most interesting word in this one sentence of Revelation 13: 17, that so many people hang their absolute faith upon is the word 'Might'. It is translated from 'dunamai'. Of the over 200 times it appears in the Bible it is translated as 'might' only 6 times. It appears as 'may' or 'may be able'. Most often it is translated 'can' and its meaning is, "to be able, have power whether by virtue of one's own ability and resources, or of a state of mind, or through favourable circumstances, or by permission of law or custom"

      Note the words that define 'dunamai';
"by permission of law"
"through favourable circumstances"
"have power whether by virtue of one's own ability and resources, or of a state of mind,"

      Was the author saying something to the effect, 'and that certain or some men who do not have a SSN/badge of servitude will not have 'permission of law' to inter the market place and do business.

      Laws have been passed to exclude people without SSNs from almost every aspect of state ID, business, licensing, travel.... With a few traumatic events soldiers will be guarding access to public transportation. Soon this nation may face rationing of fuel and food and the minor exclusions now endured by none SSN holders, which are more numerous every day, may become life threatening.

      JUSTAKID said: Those who receive the mark will do so knowing that by doing so, they invite the wrath of God upon themselves.

      Gregory says: Actually the Bible talks a great deal about deception by the prophets of the Beast and deceiving whole nations. It doesn't realy talk about an informed decission. I do believe people will know more about the error of their ways as time goes on.

      The Wrath of God is another interesting subject. Few people have any understanding of the word God even though it is well defined in Strong's. When it is coupled with wrath the confusion magnifies.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (Rev 13:15)

      The word killed is not 'phoneuo' meaning 'to murder' but 'apokteino' meaning "to kill in any way whatever, to destroy, to allow to perish, to deprive". Those without a Social Security number will be deprived of ration stamps for food and gas during the upcoming "Global Disaster" as they are already deprived of jobs, credit, bank accounts, drivers licenses, electrical and gas hook up, court protection ......... the list goes on.

      Now the "Global Disaster" that is coming and the Beast is preparing for is referred to in the Bible as the Wrath of God. It will create great problems for the people of the planet. But that is another story.

      JUSTAKID said: If God is just (and I'm certain He is), why would He allow a boy of 14 years of age (myself, at the time) obtain a SSN and then curse that boy to Hell for doing so?

      Gregory says: It never says anywhere in the Bible that anyone is cursed to hell because he has the Mark of the Beast. I challenge anyone to produce such a statement from the Bible. This is just more apostate preacher fairytales.

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Rev 14:9 10

      Many people will tell you that means they are going to hell. I'll make this quick. Fire and brimstone are not synonymous with hell anywhere in the Bible but they do mean something. They usually come from above which is maybe why Jesus told us to look for signs in the sun and the moon and the stars.

      The Wrath of God means something specific. Look up all the places it appears in the Bible and study its context.

      Now, the word 'tormented' is translated from basanizo which comes from basanos a "touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal"

      The word 'basanizo' actually means "to test (metals) by the touchstone..." it also was used occasionally as a metaphor as "to be harassed, distressed, of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind"

      Do you really think the Holy Angels and the Lamb get their kicks watching people suffer in Hell? You intimate above that you are certain God is just and then you follow the fairytale presentation of a mediocre translation to an illogical conclusion that the angels and God sit around watching people suffer.

      IT's a test.

      How is smoke used in the Bible, Able and Cain, sacrifices, etc.? It is the smoke of the test that rises to heaven forever and ever. The big test, kind of a final exam. And they will be watching to see who passes. Not that works save you but note:

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Revelation 20:13

      JUSTAKID said: The Anti-Christ may use the number I already have in an attempt to force me to have it placed on my hand or forehead, but I will have the option of refusing it.

      Gregory says: I noticed you used the preposition 'on' rather than 'in' but we have covered that. And you can refuse it right now. You have to do it legally and correctly and you will be excluded from the market place.

      JUSTAKID said: And there is no doubt, I will refuse it.

      Gregory says: To Late. You got it. But don't give up hope. Study and find out the whole story. Get ready for the big test, time is shorter than we know.

      --JUSTAKID...

      Gregory says: I want to thank Justakid for writing his response to one of my posts for it allowed me to show what few will tell him or the rest of the world.

      As Mark said, Twain not the Beast, "The trouble with people isn't their ignorance - it's the number of things they know that just ain't so."

      The above information is just a fraction of what has lead me to know that the mark of the Beast is the SSN [other names in other countries, over 170 countries now have their equivalent to an SSN linked by treaty]. Such numbers tie people into a world wide corvee and Corban system.

      You are not lost or going to hell because you have Mark of the Beast. You have been deceived, all the nations have. That is what the book said was going to happen and it has. Now it is time to wake up and discover the Truth. There is to much at stake to not check all this out, to study, to seek out the truth and unveil that which was hidden and expose the lie to the light.

      Those who are humble of spirit will seek and hunger to know all for the LORD's sake.

      A great guy named Patrick Henry once said, "It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth... Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and to provide for it."

      Are we willing to know the worst no matter what the cost? I ask no one to believe me for I am not the Christ, just one old sheepherder living in the high desert who learned how to use this computer.

      The truth is important to us all because, "There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange." Daniel Webster

      It is often strange because we hear so little of it. "Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light." George Washington.

      There is a great deal more information to help you get the lie in clearer focus in relation to the truth, so you can tell one from the other at: The Covenants of the gods All about the Covenants of the gods.

      Some or all of this information you may have disagreements with.

      Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15
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Gregory
The other Mark

      "Tav" means to mark or to set boundaries around. In Ezekiel 9 the one who held the pen put a mark or "tav" on the foreheads of those who would be able to escape God's wrath, setting them apart from those who were to be counted for judgment.

      In Revelation there are also those who receive a mark from God to escape impending final Judgment. Many today believe this word is the last letter of the word "emet" which means Truth. This word begins with the letter alef the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet and ends with tav the last.

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Revelation 9:4

      "which have not the seal" is from sphragis - signet, signature, a mark, or Tau (the Tav Vau tw ) or in Hebrew exactly #8420 tav - a mark, signature from the root #8427 tavah - meaning to scratch out, mark, imprint a signature), as protection and permanent and final ownership; the Tav being the Signature for the First and Last [see Ezekiel 9:4-11], the Almighty --

      sphragis is from phrasso apparently a strengthening form of the base of phren meaning "...the mind".

      It means "to fence in, block up, stop up, close up 2) to put to silence"